Chappell: After you finished up with the two Jones boys, Paul and Rufus, I guess your biggest program in 1977 was with Dino Bravo. This was the angle where Bravo beat you twice in succession on TV.


Mulligan: That was my idea…George Scott and I had a fight over that too!


I said, ‘We’re gonna do this real quick…we’re gonna get this kid over.’ Dino, to look at him…‘Mr. Awesome,’ right? But he never made any money anywhere…


Chappell: No…he never drew, did he?


Mulligan: Naw…I told George, ‘We’re gonna make this kid…we’re gonna make this work.’


I mean, I had to work with some of the craziest guys around…Lucky (Enforcer) Luciano and guys like that! My God!


So anyway, George said, ‘You’ll never do it (with Bravo).’ I said, ‘Just give me seven minutes.’ He said, ‘Yeah…what are you gonna do?’ I said, ‘I’m gonna let him beat me twice. You watch.’ Boom, we popped it, and made one little round around with him.


Chappell: This 1976-1977 time frame was when you and Ric Flair were really rolling. Tell us about Ric.


Mulligan: Flair was wild…he went way beyond anything! He was out there, man…he was way out there somewhere! He read my book, read George’s book…and wrote five of his own! (everybody laughs)


Chappell: Now, when you and Flair on your promos used to talk about all the wild and crazy stuff you all did…was that reality based? (laughs)


Mulligan: (pauses) A lot of it… (everybody laughs)


Me and that cat did it all, my friend! (still laughing)


Chappell: Fast times inside and outside the ring!


Mulligan: Well…we usually had our own plane. And if we didn’t have our own plane, we would go find a plane. (laughs) It could be Las Vegas one night…and it could be Richmond the next night. I have so many stories about that idiot…that maniac!


(laughing) I stayed with him for as long as I could, David ! Until I couldn’t take any more! He’s on his own gas now…he almost killed me! (everybody laughs)


At least I wound up with my same wife for 43 years…it must be two or three for him. We lived next door to each other, David .


Chappell: Really? That must have been interesting!


Mulligan: Oh yeah…we started off living next door to each other. This guy used to be in my backyard all the time! (laughs)


He broke my son Barry (Windham) in. Let me tell you a funny little story about that…


Chappell: Please do…


Mulligan: One day I can’t find Barry. This was right after Ric bought this old…good God, this black old Cadillac limousine from the Tams---the old singing group, the Tams…


Chappell: Yeah…they were a beach music group, weren’t they?


Mulligan: They had this old black limo they had when they were on top---Ric goes and buys it! (everybody laughs)


He has Barry dressed up in a Chauffeur’s uniform, and has Barry drive him in that limo to the airport! My kid is 15 years old, with no driver’s license. Ric’s picking up some girl at the airport, trying to impress her! (everybody laughs)


Chappell: (still laughing) More Blackjack Mulligan/Ric Flair stories!


Mulligan: (laughs) No, please don’t get me started on Ric Flair stories! I mean, this guy is so laughable! Oh God, we’d have to do a book on that!


Oh okay…one more!  (laughs)


Chappell: Yes!


Mulligan: One night Ric and I were at the Hilton in Raleigh. I talked Ric into dressing up like a girl. (laughs)


Chappell: (laughing)


Mulligan: Flair comes into the bar…we’re pulling a rib on a little buddy of ours who we loved, named ‘Dynamite’ Jack Evans. He was a good little worker there…


Chappell: Yeah, I remember him…from New York I believe?


Mulligan: That’s him…a little Puerto Rican/Jewish boy from New York. Anyway, he was always with one of us. He was our side guy…he did the driving for us and the dirty work. But that let him stay in the territory. Dynamite Jack was our guy…with Ric and I there was always a big fight as to who was going to get Dynamite Jack.


Chappell: What did you tell Dynamite Jack?


Mulligan: I told Dynamite Jack, I said, ‘I got me a new girlfriend.’ And he said, ‘Really, Jack?’ Now keep in mind, Dynamite Jack couldn’t see too well…he had these big thick glasses.


(laughing) So, I talk Flair into dressing up like a girl. He puts this wig and this dress on, and he comes on into the bar at the Hilton there. And Flair’s sitting on my lap…


Chappell: (laughing) It’s too bad somebody didn’t have a camera for that!


Mulligan: (laughing hard) Dynamite Jack reaches over to Angelo Mosca and says, ‘HOLY MOLY, THAT MULLY HAS ONE UGLY BROAD WITH HIM TONIGHT…LOOK AT THE NOSE ON HER!’ (everybody laughs hard)


Dynamite Jack couldn’t see…and he was drunk too! (everybody still laughing)


Chappell: Obviously!! (everybody still laughing)


Mulligan: Wonder what happened to Dynamite Jack Evans? Do you know?


Chappell: No…and I didn’t realize he was tight with you and Flair.


Mulligan: Oh man, he was our guy. He kept his mouth shut, and he never told any stories out of school…


Chappell: With all those antics going on, that was REAL big! (laughs)


Mulligan: We made the deal with George, that he be booked in every town with us…


Chappell: Really?


Mulligan: Oh yeah. But what a character…Dynamite Jack was one of the funniest people on earth! He gave his notice one day…I couldn’t believe it. He became a prison guard in Georgia, and we never, ever heard from him again. One of the funniest human beings I’ve ever been around.


Flair would steal him from me, and I’d steal him back from Flair. Then Flair got him booked on most of his cards, and Dynamite said, ‘Mul, I hate to tell you this, but I’d kinda like to stay with Flair…I’m making more money with him.’ I said to him, ‘You’re a traitor…a turncoat!’ (laughs)


Chappell: Well, the Gateway is going to send out an APB on Dynamite Jack Evans and see if anybody knows what happened to him!


Mulligan: That story was REALLY about Flair and his dressing up! Ric was a true character. Flair had just the fire to keep me going in those days. But how I ended up without a divorce…I have the most understanding wife of all time!


Chappell: You and your wife have experienced a lot together, I have no doubt!


Mulligan: Oh yes. When me and my girl started together, we were poor. We were together when the guy knocked on the door and said, ‘We’re giving you a scholarship to college.’ You know, for free! We didn’t believe that at the time. And then, we were there when the guy knocks on the door and brought us a new Mustang, and gave me a football contract. So…we’ve seen a lot together, and we’ve ended up still together! (laughs)


Chappell: Well, I guess we need to talk about Flair at least a little more at this point, because after you had a little run with Steamboat over the U.S belt at the end of ’77…


Mulligan: Yeah, Steamer…Steamer was great…


Chappell: But then the unthinkable happened! They turned you babyface in 1978! Tell us about that.


Mulligan: Well…Flair, the kid---the kid was starting to evolve. By then, the kid was starting to carry the load. We sprung the monster out of the bag then…


Chappell: Yep.


Mulligan: We were ready to do the switch…Jack’s fixin’ to take the step down. That’s where we were then.


To show there was a new ballgame in town, okay? The baton was being passed…that’s what was happening.


Chappell: Had you done any work as a babyface before that?



Mulligan: Never, ever…that was ridiculous. I mean, I had been a heel forever. But I was getting older…and let me tell you, a heel does a lot of hard work---a lot of hard work.


But Ric was ready to bust out…


Chappell: And Ric comes out on TV and says you were past your prime…


Mulligan: Well that’s exactly right…I was! I was wore out then, David . They had really burned me out…I really made it longer than I thought I would.


Chappell: Was your babyface turn George’s idea?


Mulligan: Yes. George says to me, ‘We’re gonna do this unbelievable thing. We’re gonna change you babyface!’ I said, ‘No, no, no, no…I don’t like that.’ He said, ‘You don’t know how hot it’s gonna be…you and Flair splitting up.’


And it was the real deal…we REALLY were splitting up!


Chappell: You mean, you all were splitting up in real life?


Mulligan: He was moving into this big time home, and I was moving to another place. And we had a van together…these are REAL things that were happening to us…


Chappell: So these things were actually happening?


Mulligan: We actually owned that van together…


Chappell: This is the van that you pulled the items out of…and brought on TV?


Mulligan: Yeah. Ric’s wife had left him, and he’d gone with Beth. And my wife was a friend of the first wife, and detested Beth. This thing was REAL! (laughs)


And for that reason, it came off real. It was natural to do it.



Let me tell you a true story about this stuff in the van…


Chappell: Yes, please…


Mulligan: This stuff, not all of that stuff on TV, but Flair used to keep a bunch of stuff in his closet in the van. And one day, my wife was getting ready to go to church and she asked me if she could use the van. I went, ‘Oh my God…Ric had the van last night.’


Chappell: (laughing)


Mulligan: So I run out there real quick, and I look in the van...and pantyhose are laying all over the place…


Chappell: (laughing)


Mulligan: I look in his closet, and oh my God, there’s all kinds of unmentionable stuff! I’m pulling stuff out of there as fast as I can, and throwing it in this bag…so the kids and everybody can take the van to church!


I come inside and my wife looks at the bag and asks, ‘What’s that.’ And I said, ‘Oh, it’s just some of Ric’s stuff…don’t worry about it.’ That’s where that idea sprung from!


Chappell: (still laughing) That’s just too hilarious!


Mulligan: I said to myself, ‘Wait a minute. This is gonna work. Two best friends splitting up. He’s gonna take his stuff from the van, and I’m gonna take mine.’ So I bring out the pantyhose and the make up from his closet on TV…plus some other stuff that I added in there, you know?


Chappell: That was a classic moment in the history of Mid-Atlantic television! When Ric saw you pull out those pantyhose…I NEVER saw him go that ballistic---before or after!


Mulligan: You know…I was from West Texas, and Flair was the little hotshot snotty-nosed punk. It was his stage now…he wanted to be the top heel. That’s where we were then.


He was changing, he was evolving…I mean REALLY was evolving. Nobody knew what was fixing to happen to this guy. I mean, he became one of the biggest show biz characters the business would ever have…forever. We didn’t think he could be that big…but he was.


Chappell: George Scott at it again…


Mulligan: I tell you, George Scott turned out to be a major genius in this business. We didn’t really know until time went on, how smart this man was.